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I did see that a memorial is being planned on September 15th in todays paper also. I am glad to see that there will be one here locally.
As for the service being held tomorrow in Shelbyville, I know that it isn't because of any ties. Shelby County rarely utilize the services of EVAC.
 
Posts: 11 | Location: Rushville | Registered: August 27, 2008Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Well, mom, you seem to have missed my point.
I am not forthrightly making derogatory comments.
I am asking questions, based on information documented elswhere, which I refer to in order to justify the asking of the question itself.
Does that make sense???
like they have been saying let them investigate and find out. besides your research is off. there are 2 companies. air evac lifeteam and air evac serices. air evac services are in arizona, which has nothing to do with air evac lifeteam and they have no helicopters in washington dc either. the alabama accident was caused by loss of lte. they think pilot error on that one.
 
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Well, mom, you seem to have missed my point.
I am not forthrightly making derogatory comments.
I am asking questions, based on information documented elswhere, which I refer to in order to justify the asking of the question itself.
Does that make sense???


I don't think I missed your point. You said, "I suspect the company [not individual employees!] to be unethical, unscrupulous, and careless in their want for profit. This, at the expense of sick and injured folks, and apparently even their employees."

I believe that is "forthrightly making a derogatory comment." And such comments are inappropriate at this point in time. Not only are the people involved in mourning for their co-workers and friends, but I think it would be wise to wait until we have the actual report before jumping on the "slam Air Evac" bandwagon.


OK, so let's say that that statement may be construed as derogatory. I might defend it by noting that apparently the fbi thinks the same. I s'pose I might have worded it differently, or made note that the statement refers moreso to the billing issues than the other things [which could be simply a symptom of the general business practice].
Also, sometimes it is better to strike while the iron is hot, so to speak.
 
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Did anyone else attend the services today? I did and I thought that it was very nicely done. Kudos to those who organized the whole memorial service.
 
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I have heard that the Commissioners lifted the Air Evac flight ban, has anyone heard why? Have they received info from the FAA or NTSB that it is prudent to do so at this time, did they have an independent investigation determine that it was safe to do so, or did they get threatened by the same old B.S. and cave as usual? Thoughts?
 
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Rush Boy, I sure don't have any answers to your questions, but I was told last night that it was determined that it was both mechanical and pilot error. I asked what in the world does that mean, and of course I didn't get a straight answer. So who really knows if that is the truth or not. Theres so much cover up with all things anymore, it's hard to believe anything unless you have the facts in front of your face.
 
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I appreciate the info. I half joked that they would call it pilot error by saying that he allowed the rotor to out climb his helicopter. I may have been closer than I thought.
 
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I appreciate the info. I half joked that they would call it pilot error by saying that he allowed the rotor to out climb his helicopter. I may have been closer than I thought.


You do realize good people died in this accident? What kind of crass person makes a joke over an accident where people lost their lives?

If you really want to know what happened to the flight ban, here's a novel idea! I would suggest you call your county commissioner rather than speculate on a forum looking for more controversy.
 
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I appreciate the info. I half joked that they would call it pilot error by saying that he allowed the rotor to out climb his helicopter. I may have been closer than I thought.


You do realize good people died in this accident? What kind of crass person makes a joke over an accident where people lost their lives?

If you really want to know what happened to the flight ban, here's a novel idea! I would suggest you call your county commissioner rather than speculate on a forum looking for more controversy.

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I agree, RC Mom. I was appalled by the lack of concern for relatives and friends of the deceased's, not to mention the memory of those who risked their lives for injured and sick citizens of this county. I work with the sister of one of the deceased and pray to God she doesn't read or hear of what was said in this forum. Be still, and respect those who serve you.
 
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Amen, Nan!
 
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Aw, lighten up. It is very well within the human nature to attempt to laugh in the face of tragedy.
It's kinda-sorta a part of the fight-or-flight thing. Some cry inconsolably, some joke in absurd or in-appropriate fashion; most, of course fall somewhere between.
As one who is present at many deaths and traumas, I'll be the first to admit that often the only way to cope is to joke- which on the face would nearly always seem uncaring and crass.
Believe me when I say, Wade certainly did this a time or twelve when on the job- and I'm sure if he thought about it he knew it would happen upon his demise. I'm sure his feelings would not be hurt by such a thing- he knew it went with the territory.
When I go, I'd much rather y'all found a reason to laugh, smile, and hoist a tall frosty one, than be miserably sad, somber, and sober.

"To laugh in the face of danger, to smile at a time of sorrow, to rejoice in a time of loss- this is the way of the samurai"
 
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RCM and Nan,

You do need to lighten up. I said half jokingly, not to in any way laugh at what happened to the flight crew, but as to the almost single minded need for some to blame this on something other than Air Evac. Shouldn't you be more concerned with those who think it is pilot error? I was probably the first person in Rushville to lower my flag to half staff when it happened and kept it there until they were laid to rest. I care deeply for all emergency services personnel as I have family and friends who put their lives on the line on a daily basis in protecting our lives.

My concern extends to making sure that their lives and others are not needlessly endangered by people with motives other than saving lives. Trust me, I have heard rumors (that I will not repeat until confirmed) why the hospital admin brought in Air Evac over other companies.

I did not call the Commissioners for one main reason. Have you ever tried to get the real truth out of any of them? Tom, who is most likely to give you reasons, is battling health problems and was not part of the meeting. For that matter, shouldn't our local paper have covered it as part of the Commissioners Meeting or have they cut that coverage as well? I would think many would like to know why the ban was placed and why it was lifted.
 
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Correction. The Republican did report on the Commissioners Meeting, but only about the roof. Normally they report on all things discussed, especially something as controversial as the Air Evac flight ban. Why was there not something reported about that?
 
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You just repeated a rumor in itself. That's funny. Do you know the hospital brought in air evac, actively soliciting companies to come to town? Who approached whom first? facts, facts, facts, please?

In the "comments after the story" on the snewspaper website, someone said lifleline is non-profit. lifleline's parent company is omniflight helicopters, which is in itself owned by an investment banking firm. that would be a for profit entity. and while omniflight does have an incredibly good safety record of their own, they have unfortunately had tragic mishaps.


RB said: Trust me, I have heard rumors (that I will not repeat until confirmed) why the hospital admin brought in Air Evac over other companies.
 
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RCM and Nan,

You do need to lighten up. I said half jokingly, not to in any way laugh at what happened to the flight crew, but as to the almost single minded need for some to blame this on something other than Air Evac. Shouldn't you be more concerned with those who think it is pilot error? I was probably the first person in Rushville to lower my flag to half staff when it happened and kept it there until they were laid to rest. I care deeply for all emergency services personnel as I have family and friends who put their lives on the line on a daily basis in protecting our lives.

My concern extends to making sure that their lives and others are not needlessly endangered by people with motives other than saving lives. Trust me, I have heard rumors (that I will not repeat until confirmed) why the hospital admin brought in Air Evac over other companies.

I did not call the Commissioners for one main reason. Have you ever tried to get the real truth out of any of them? Tom, who is most likely to give you reasons, is battling health problems and was not part of the meeting. For that matter, shouldn't our local paper have covered it as part of the Commissioners Meeting or have they cut that coverage as well? I would think many would like to know why the ban was placed and why it was lifted.


Someone who has been so outspoken on their distaste for Air Evac and the hospital, should not be the one to make any kind of joke in light of the tragedy. Particularly in a public forum. Your comments were uncalled for in my opinion because of your past views - which you have been very vocal about in this forum in particular. Please don't expect me to believe you were making a light-hearted joke to take a friendly jab at people you cared for who had died. I don't believe it.

If you can't get the real truth out of your commissioners, maybe you should attend a commissioner's meeting and voice your concerns. Maybe while you are there you can ask, in a public forum, what the reasons behind the ban and the lifting of the ban. A little knowledge can be a good thing. Much better than the gossip.

As far as the paper, I hate to be redundant, but why don't you call the paper and ask them why they didn't provide more coverage of the commissioner's meeting. Maybe they were only there for the part about the roof. Maybe there was an accident on Main street or in Falmouth they had to go cover....
 
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