so how much did it actually drop? about 20 cents or so?

oil prices

Gasoline average

oh,no,dont faint on my account...there is always alotta blame to go around for these schmucks... Thanks to deregulation,led by the GOP and other fine,honest institutions like Enron,you know,who were among the energy czars meeting in Cheney`s office early on, we are being manipulated and screwed to the floor. Certainly starting a war under false pretenses in order to steal another country`s oil is clever...had it worked. It didn`t work for Hitler,it didn`t work for Saddam in Gulf War One, and it wont work for us... but...you know that,right?

25,000,000 Iraqi's who are now free to determine their own fate for the first time might argue with you!

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Originally posted by Poppy:
25,000,000 Iraqi's who are now free to determine their own fate for the first time might argue with you!

That logic says we should invade every repressive nation in the world.

No, what it says is that the journey is measured at the ending, not the beginning.

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Originally posted by Poppy:
No, what it says is that the journey is measured at the ending, not the beginning.

And the perceived end always justifies the means (sarcasm abounds) Europe became stronger after Hitler tried to conquer it, so Hitler must have been justified. Our own nation grew and prospered at the expense of the native people, so in someone’s deluded mind it was justified.

It feels good to be reassured that the oil companies and distributors are not screwing us with the prices at the pump. I don't think the difference in taxes between Iowa and Illinois justifies the difference in pump prices between the two states. Maybe Kelly Oil can explain why gas is .30 to .40 cents cheaper in Iowa than in Illinois.

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Originally posted by /Dick:
It feels good to be reassured that the oil companies and distributors are not screwing us with the prices at the pump. I don't think the difference in taxes between Iowa and Illinois justifies the difference in pump prices between the two states. Maybe Kelly Oil can explain why gas is .30 to .40 cents cheaper in Iowa than in Illinois.

I am not Kelly Oil, nor am I affiliated with Kelly Oil, nor do I have any stocks, or other investments in any oil company that I know of. However, I do know from talking with people in the oil business that the difference between Iowa and Illinois is directly and totally attributed to taxes. You see, in Iowa there is a tax of about 22 cents per gallon. In Iliinois they have a sales tax that is a percentage of the total sale, therefore the more you buy, the higher the sales tax. So if for example, 10 gallons of gas used to cost you $25, and a sales tax of 7% was applied, then you paid $1.75 in sales tax. Now take gas to $4 per gallon, that same 10 gallon purchase is $40, and tax now is $2.80. In the mean time, the tax in Iowa was about 22 cents per gallon, no matter the price.

All this increase in tax money coming in to Illinois and they still can't find the money to balance their budget!!! Lately I have found the Illinois legislative news more hilarious than the comics. Okay, maybe with the exception of "The Lockhorns" and the "Dinette Set", but that's all.

tax site click the "summary report" to download the pdf file.

Illinois pays 66.6 cents/gal tax
Iowa pays 40.4 cents/gal tax

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Originally posted by Poppy:
No, what it says is that the journey is measured at the ending, not the beginning.

And the perceived end always justifies the means (sarcasm abounds) Europe became stronger after Hitler tried to conquer it, so Hitler must have been justified. Our own nation grew and prospered at the expense of the native people, so in someone’s deluded mind it was justified.

I am saddened that you think the end justifies the means. The world is a much better place than that!

I'm saddened as well (all sarcasm is gone) for those that contiunually justify the actions of Bush, but you have a good day anyway.

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I'm saddened as well (all sarcasm is gone) for those that contiunually justify the actions of Bush, but you have a good day anyway.

I am sure you will be much more comfortable under Obama's national security force that is as well armed and funded as the US military.

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I'm saddened as well (all sarcasm is gone) for those that contiunually justify the actions of Bush, but you have a good day anyway.

I won't get into this match until someone posts the total number of United Nations Security Council Resolutions that were passed calling on Saddam Huessin to disarm and allow teams of international inspectors to verify such. Such research on the total number of resolutions should also include the beginning and ending dates that such were passed.

How many were there? What year was the first one passed?

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Originally posted by Bailey:
I'm saddened as well (all sarcasm is gone) for those that contiunually justify the actions of Bush, but you have a good day anyway.

I won't get into this match until someone posts the total number of United Nations Security Council Resolutions that were passed calling on Saddam Huessin to disarm and allow teams of international inspectors to verify such. Such research on the total number of resolutions should also include the beginning and ending dates that such were passed.

How many were there? What year was the first one passed?

I believe according to our State Department the number would be 17 starting somewhere around 1990. Using the number of resolutions as the litmus test, can you give me another nation we should have invaded years ago?

Aviator, I believe you can remember back a few years. If not I'll refresh your memory. Early 70's, there was a move to start painting National Guard and Regular Military vehicles desert colors. Remember, about the time of the first awakening, when the strangle hold oil has on our economy was first brought to light. I believe Cheney and Bush (no. 1) were involved in that discussion.

There has never been an argument that Sadam was not a bad person. But the same has held true for many a nation over the short history of the United States. If we attacked every nation with similar credentials regarding weapons, human rights, etc... We would be at war on more fronts than we could ever sustain. We aren't that big.

War needs to be planned, objectives defined. Sure things change but the goal remains relatively the same. You need to know what defines winning. That was until GW and his opportunistic band of merry men with their inept handling and mistruths. I believe Cheney said it best (I offer this as one of many sites you can read his former views, what changed other than oil) http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/192908_cheney29.html

But let's get beyond what Bush and crew have done. How can it be fixed? I don't believe with more of the same.

(I'm not even going to bring up the 60's and early 70's, thats a completely different set of argument and I don't have the time)


And to Kong, I don't have a clue what Obama was referencing. But it sounds much like what was envisioned at the beginning of our own history. Not unlike a well trained militia or maybe what was voted and expanded on many times, the National Defense Act of 1916.