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Originally posted by Rubi:
Thank you for your response. My questions are due to the magnitude of the event if a Black man were elected to our presidency. Skin color is of great concern to countless thousands of voters whether it should be or not. To deny that is denying a long-standing reality. Many Black people will be voting for Mr. Obama for NO reason other than his skin color; Just as many will not vote for him because of his skin color.

Democrats are being given the choice of a woman or a Black man. Many want neither, but, also cannot bring themselves to vote Republican. It's a quandary for some.

I'm glad that this time black people who will vote for any black candidate that runs will actually have a decent black person to vote for. Thank goodness that this time around black people won't be voting for morons like J.C. Watts, Jessie Jackson, or Al Sharpton. These idiots are classic examples of under-qualified, "token" black candidates trying to play the race card and slide into office. Thank you Mr. Obama for helping change this paradigm.

I agree, the Diebold and other voting machines do not work correctly (unless your name is King George II). I am not even an advocate of having voting machines at the poles, even if they go to an open-source software system. We should use the Iraqi method and make everyone get a purple finger when they vote. Unfortunately, this method makes it harder to rig elections or let the president’s buddies make money off voting machines that will only vote in one direction.

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Originally posted by jmckie:
You could say similar things about all of the candidates. Some people are ONLY going to vote for Hilary because she is a woman. Some people are ONLY going to vote for Edwards because he is the only white, male, democratic candidate. He'll get a ton of votes from ignorant racists for that alone!

I went to the Trinity Church website and did not see anything "frightening". Which church in Muskogee has blacks and whites worshipping together? I've been to a few of the churches there and never saw any black people. The Mormon Church, Mitt Romney's religion of choice, believes black people are cursed by God and are from the line of Cain. Do you think that is frightening? You can't allow fear to guide your decisions. What do you think is going to happen? Barack Obama gets elected President and brings out all the brothers from the 'hood to run the White House? Or send ships over to Africa and brings over all of the starving refugees? What exactly are you afraid of? Oh, that perhaps Barack Obama will actually give hope to black people and they will stop killing one another in the projects and actually go to college in record numbers, get jobs that pay well and move into your neighborhood? Define your fears.

Discrimination against anyone for whatever reason is hurtful, period. It hurts to be looked down on because you are poor. It hurts to be looked down on because you are black. It hurts to be looked down on because you are a woman or a child or categorized in any other way that other people think is not good enough. Certainly, the Presidential race is not a contest to elect the most discriminated against candidate.

You need to update your facts. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon Church) now allows and is actively seeking members from all races and nationalities around the world. They are the number one financial supporter of archeology of the ancient Maya culture in Central America. They are looking for evidence that Jesus spent time with the Maya and other non-white civilizations outside of the geography covered in the original Bible.

I know my facts. I was raised in the Mormon church. I've read the Book of Mormon. I know the Mormons believe Jesus spent his three days before resurrection down in Central America. I'm not talking about the ancient Mayans I'm talking about Black people. The Mormons believe Cain and his decendents were turned black to mark them for the sin of Cain killing Abel. Are you denying this?

BTW - How many female Mormon missionaries have you seen walking around lately? Oh right, they also believe women aren't qualified to spread the word of God.

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Originally posted by jmckie:
I know my facts. I was raised in the Mormon church. I've read the Book of Mormon. I know the Mormons believe Jesus spent his three days before resurrection down in Central America. I'm not talking about the ancient Mayans I'm talking about Black people. The Mormons believe Cain and his decendents were turned black to mark them for the sin of Cain killing Able. Are you denying this?

BTW - How many female Mormon missionaries have you seen walking around lately?

I did not grow up Mormon, but have been to one of their churches for an Easter service. I have also spent plenty of time with a "recovering" Mormon who is the son of an ex-Ms. Utah.

Maybe that is what is written in some ancient text, but the current Mormon marketing plan is targeted at any and everyone that will join their religion, regardless of color.

The Mormon Church used to allow/promote polygamy, but they changed their minds about this as well.

I have never seen a female Mormon missionary, but understand that they believe this is a male role.

I have met a white male Mormon missionary who was stationed in Haiti. Last time I checked, there weren't too many white people in Haiti to convert to Mormonism.

I definitely prefer Mormons to other groups promoting religion to me. I usually just ask them for a photo of Jesus, tell them I have been to their church before and they leave me alone.

I am not trying to offend Mormons or their beliefs. My mother is a devout Mormon and we argue about these issues all the time. I know Mormons change their positions on issue because they have "Prophets of the Church" whom God confides in and guides the church along. They may be trying to recruit more ethnicities into their religion but that does not change what is written in the Book of Mormon which is that Blacks are cursed by God because of the killing of Abel.

Also, as a side note, Utah was being denied statehood by the federal government because they would not stop practicing polygamy. Suddenly, God told the Prophet that the church must stop practicing polygamy. Look at the dates of when the Mormons were first denied statehood, stopped practicing polygamy and then were granted statehood.

My whole point of bringing up Mormonism was not to argue about religion but to draw parallels to fears about blacks, their beliefs and their religion. I just don't see anything more "alarming" about the Trinity church than the Mormon church. If you remember, blacks were not allowed into white churches for many years. At this late date, they've established their own Christian churches. What did anyone expect? The Trinity church is a Christian church. They profess belief in Jesus not Allah.

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Originally posted by jmckie:
I am not trying to offend Mormons or their beliefs. My mother is a devout Mormon and we argue about these issues all the time. I know Mormons change their positions on issue because they have "Prophets of the Church" whom God confides in and guides the church along. They may be trying to recruit more ethnicities into their religion but that does not change what is written in the Book of Mormon which is that Blacks are cursed by God because of the killing of Abel.

Also, as a side note, Utah was being denied statehood by the federal government because they would not stop practicing polygamy. Suddenly, God told the Prophet that the church must stop practicing polygamy. Look at the dates of when the Mormons were first denied statehood, stopped practicing polygamy and then were granted statehood.

My whole point of bringing up Mormonism was not to argue about religion but to draw parallels to fears about blacks, their beliefs and their religion. I just don't see anything more "alarming" about the Trinity church than the Mormon church. If you remember, blacks were not allowed into white churches for many years. At this late date, they've established their own Christian churches. What did anyone expect? The Trinity church is a Christian church. They profess belief in Jesus not Allah.

The Catholic Church changes its(and God's) mind from time to time too. They recently have admitted that Galalleo's heliocentric theories were correct and have admitted that they probably shouldn't have made him recant his correct theories or live under house arrest for denouncing their biblically-based genocentric theories.

Speaking of Kucinich; http://www.dennis4president.com/go/homepage-items/kucin...-election-integrity/

These are the "unexplained disparities" that Kucinich is referring to;

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%


Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

There is concern that the optical scan outcome was reversed and Obama actually had the 52.95% of votes counted through the optical scan. For the record, Obama is not crying foul. He is accepting defeat graciously.

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Spirit, I am not making any claims that the hand counted votes were accurate or inaccurate. I have no idea and you are correct in your analysis that I have never been in a warehouse counting votes. I am, however, stating facts that a vote recall is being launched (yes, this is a fact) by Kucinich and what his concerns are. I am simply disseminating information that I felt was relevant and interesting to the thread. I made no argument and took no stand in my posting as to what I thought about the situation so please find someone else to argue with or read the postings more carefully before you make your response.

Spirit, your apology is accepted and I appreciate you extending it.

I am curious if when you click through these threads now you are seeing the Barack Obama campaign banners. I am getting them on all pages and am wondering if they are targeted toward certain people or if their marketing people are really that quick at finding the posting boards discussing Obama and purchasing advertising space. Very cool, regardless.

Actually, now that I think about it I realize it is probably the google robot technology that has picked up the keywords. That makes sense.

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Originally posted by jmckie:
Actually, now that I think about it I realize it is probably the google robot technology that has picked up the keywords. That makes sense.

jmckie, I have a discussion forum for a few internet friends and if we mention chicken feed or the latest hot movie, there will be a banner ad on that page for some topics and a smaller ad for maybe the chicken feed.... unless we mean it as money. LOL

At the onset of the forum we would mention obscure subjects only to see what Google would find for ads. We were never disappointed. )))))

Rubi

Okay, one more...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqCYFpUAJ2Q&NR=1

The truth is just too powerful to ignore and Michelle Obama is telling the truth.