Palin palin bo balin bananna fana fo falin me mi mo malin, palin.
McCain McCain Bo mic---== just doesn't work.

How wonderful. The old POW resisted the "dirty VC" and hit it out of the park again. Hate is back. Just like Spain in the Basketball game with the U.S at the Olympics. That was a great game.

Since a TV game show is what it's about and you all are in the upper 2% of the nation, you have nothing to worry about, enjoy, hate and demean the Americans of Islamic descent just like the Japanese in WWII. Maybe you could make intern camps for them and steal all their property as well. Boomer Sooner.

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Still, if McCain wanted to pick a conservative young woman nobody out of her home state ever heard of, why couldn't he pick Mary Fallin?

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Originally posted by gromit speaks:
Still, if McCain wanted to pick a conservative young woman nobody out of her home state ever heard of, why couldn't he pick Mary Fallin?

Sounds like he wants to put an end to the McCain/Bush/Republican/status quo argument and possibly pick up some of the democrat supporters that Hillary dumped this week and left scratching their heads.
I don't watch conventions but news bytes that I couldn't get away from actually either make Hillary a liar or hostage of the DNC. Don't know and really don't care but if the Alaska girl is smart, McCain may have made a good move. If she is dopey, bad move.

Wow! on his birthday McCain has chosen a younger woman. That ole dog. I wonder how the media will bury this. A shrill beauty queen tying herself to women's voting rights and Hillary. Next thing we'll hear is that she takes the train home to Anchorage to be with her family every night in spite of her husband's death in a car wreck. Oops, the only way in or out of Juneau is by plane.

The only connection she has to those traditional women's issues is that she benefits from them. She is on the opposite side of all of the women who fought for those things. The only connection she has to Elizabeth Cady Staunton is that 1848 New York State still had a significant Indian population that they couldn't deal with the same way Alaska does today. Cady Staunton was also a patriot whose house rescued Blacks on the underground railroad. I doubt that those early women leaders would ever have voted for a woman who doesn't believe women deserve equal pay for an equal job. In that way she resembles more the men of 1848 than the Seneca falls Convention that the men jailed.

So the Republicans "don't like a good speaker and a pretty face" so they choose a good speaker and a pretty face for their VP. Sound's like Larry Craig to me. "I'm not gay! and I won't resign!" Same ole, same ole.

So now it is no longer civility or a hope of reconciliation. A nation of bears. Hot dog! Chaos rules!

Now, I've had to keep my mouth shut on this hyper-civil web site of genteel or is it gentile Oklahomans. Put up the parapets, dig the trenchs, it's going to be a glorious war for the next weeks! My blinders are removed. I've seen the light! Praise the Lord and pass the invective. BB, It's going to be a glorious war. But don't count on the military protecting you. While you were out there in the fields dealing with little folks carrying blow guns and bows and arrows I was listening to Everett Dirkson, Martin Luther King and Tricky Dick Nixon. They taught me about words and war.

The only true patriot is the one who has the guts to stand up and cuss his government out when they are wrong. (Paraphrase of Teddy Roosevelt), the one McCain says he admires but never read. Bring on these faux bears. (meant as satire )

PS I don't use those blinking faces. They were invented by a programmer artist friend who timed them to the brainwaves of the population so that he could indoctrinate people to spend, spend, spend and not worry. I don't even look at the things. They give children seizures. I also wear those glasses that shows which of you folk are the aliens.

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Originally posted by REHarrell:
Wow! on his birthday McCain has chosen a younger woman. That ole dog. I wonder how the media will bury this. A shrill beauty queen tying herself to women's voting rights and Hillary. Next thing we'll hear is that she takes the train home to Anchorage to be with her family every night in spite of her husband's death in a car wreck. Oops, the only way in or out of Juneau is by plane.

The only connection she has to those traditional women's issues is that she benefits from them. She is on the opposite side of all of the women who fought for those things. The only connection she has to Elizabeth Cady Staunton is that 1848 New York State still had a significant Indian population that they couldn't deal with the same way Alaska does today. Cady Staunton was also a patriot whose house rescued Blacks on the underground railroad. I doubt that those early women leaders would ever have voted for a woman who doesn't believe women deserve equal pay for an equal job. In that way she resembles more the men of 1848 than the Seneca falls Convention that the men jailed.

So the Republicans "don't like a good speaker and a pretty face" so they choose a good speaker and a pretty face for their VP. Sound's like Larry Craig to me. "I'm not gay! and I won't resign!" Same ole, same ole.

So now it is no longer civility or a hope of reconciliation. A nation of bears. Hot dog! Chaos rules!

Now, I've had to keep my mouth shut on this hyper-civil web site of genteel or is it gentile Oklahomans. Put up the parapets, dig the trenchs, it's going to be a glorious war for the next weeks! My blinders are removed. I've seen the light! Praise the Lord and pass the invective. BB, It's going to be a glorious war. But don't count on the military protecting you. While you were out there in the fields dealing with little folks carrying blow guns and bows and arrows I was listening to Everett Dirkson, Martin Luther King and Tricky Dick Nixon. They taught me about words and war.

The only true patriot is the one who has the guts to stand up and cuss his government out when they are wrong. (Paraphrase of Teddy Roosevelt), the one McCain says he admires but never read. Bring on these faux bears. (meant as satire )

PS I don't use those blinking faces. They were invented by a programmer artist friend who timed them to the brainwaves of the population so that he could indoctrinate people to spend, spend, spend and not worry. I don't even look at the things. They give children seizures.

Gotta admit I got your point and can't say either way about the VP lady. Never heard of her before today, most others probably the same but I never heard of Obama until last spring so whaddaiknow. I don't look at it as a democrat or republican although I gottadmit one of 'em seems more predictable dan the udder.
From here in da lower intestines of the United States it's hard to decide to vote for change that don't seem realistic and may not work, or the more predictable trouble ahead which seems imminent either way.
I am a born skeptic so with both choices I am not in any way infatuated.
I didn't gripe about Clinton, Bush 1 , or Lil Bush except for NAFTA which really hurt the working class. But SOT don't know politics so there may have been no choice. We survived NAFTA better'n I thought we would considering what was at risk.
I was in private industry then and from my perspective I could see wages in Mexico and wages in The US that once you blend them together they had to meet somewhere in between.
Blue collar joes took it on the chin but didn't have to go halfway down. I guess Min wage prevented that.

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Gotta admit I got your point and can't say either way about the VP lady. Never heard of her before today, most others probably the same but I never heard of Obama until last spring so whaddaiknow. I don't look at it as a democrat or republican although I gottadmit one of 'em seems more predictable dan the udder.

From here in da lower intestines of the United States it's hard to decide to vote for change that don't seem realistic and may not work, or the more predictable trouble ahead which seems imminent either way.

I am a born skeptic so with both choices I am not in any way infatuated.
I didn't gripe about Clinton, Bush 1 , or Lil Bush except for NAFTA which really hurt the working class. But SOT don't know politics so there may have been no choice. We survived NAFTA better'n I thought we would considering what was at risk.

I was in private industry then and from my perspective I could see wages in Mexico and wages in The US that once you blend them together they had to meet somewhere in between.
Blue collar joes took it on the chin but didn't have to go halfway down. I guess Min wage prevented that.

Are you learning to talk Picher? Good comments and the accent was good too. Sort of Gershwin. Which do you find the most predictable?

As for change? I knew Sam Lipman and the neo-cons who orchestrated Reagan. They changed things a lot. Destroyed a lot too. Destroyed my business although Reagan semi-apologized at the end when he refunded the ruin of the NEA. So I believe that intelligence can create change. I also believe that Bush's targeting of the budget over the past eight years is deliberate. It is deliberate to create the defunding of social programs. Naomi Klein wrote a whole book on the strategy and the Republicans are nothing if they aren't strategic.

Enjoyed your comments and humor. REH

Either way, that stuff is just thrills and frills. A good horse race but this isn't. All of the candidates should be involved with this. Especially since there are so many ex-military here. It's the list from IAVA Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. Muskogee's Senator gets a disgraceful rating on these issues.

Dear Senator Obama and Senator McCain,

I stand with Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America in calling for you to keep veterans' issues at the top of your agenda if you are elected President.

Here are the top 10 issues that the next administration should address.

1. Ensure Thorough, Professional, and Confidential Mental Health Screening
2. Advance-Fund VA Health Care
3. Overhaul the Military and Veterans’ Disability System
4. Cut the Claims Backlog in Half
5. End the Passive VA System
6. Combat the Shortage of Mental Health Professionals
7. Create Tax Incentives for Patriotic Employers
8. Fight Homelessness among Veterans
9. Give Families Access to Mental Health Support
10. Repeal the Waiver of High-Deployment Pay

Honoring our veterans is not a partisan issue. Our troops served our country bravely and deserve the best once they return home.

Thank you for your commitment to our veterans.

REH: Spec 6, U.S. Army, honorable discharge 1970

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Either way, that stuff is just thrills and frills. A good horse race but this isn't. All of the candidates should be involved with this. Especially since there are so many ex-military here. It's the list from IAVA Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America. Muskogee's Senator gets a disgraceful rating on these issues.

Dear Senator Obama and Senator McCain,

I stand with Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America in calling for you to keep veterans' issues at the top of your agenda if you are elected President.

Here are the top 10 issues that the next administration should address.

1. Ensure Thorough, Professional, and Confidential Mental Health Screening
2. Advance-Fund VA Health Care
3. Overhaul the Military and Veterans’ Disability System
4. Cut the Claims Backlog in Half
5. End the Passive VA System
6. Combat the Shortage of Mental Health Professionals
7. Create Tax Incentives for Patriotic Employers
8. Fight Homelessness among Veterans
9. Give Families Access to Mental Health Support
10. Repeal the Waiver of High-Deployment Pay

Honoring our veterans is not a partisan issue. Our troops served our country bravely and deserve the best once they return home.

Thank you for your commitment to our veterans.

REH: Spec 6, U.S. Army, honorable discharge 1970

This would be a good letter for vets to send both candidates but an even fleshier issue that it brings to mind is how out of touch with everything both candidates seem to be.

It looks like to me instead of making flowery speeches and unkeepable promises, both should be listening, listening, listening. It appears from the bottom of the barrel (my perspective) that neither is doing that.

All talk and no listen makes Barack and John both out of touch.

PS Yeah, I hadda learn the language here so's I can stay ontopa gossip n such. I mentioned that I don't hear good, my wife calls it not listening. Mebby jus the way I hear it instead of what really got said.

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PS Yeah, I hadda learn the language here so's I can stay ontopa gossip n such. I mentioned that I don't hear good, my wife calls it not listening. Mebby jus the way I hear it instead of what really got said.

The last time I was at Lake Ft. Gibson, twenty years ago, I was with my parents who were quite elderly. We were with Delaware and Sac and Fox Elders. My father sat for the entire time with an elderly woman whose brother he had known when the brother was the basketball coach at Oklahoma State at Stillwater. They were both "hearing deficient" but they were talking non-stop. The funny thing was that they understood each other but none of us could tell what they were saying.

I apologize for being off subject but was just caught up in a memory.

Here's the new Republican Anthem I heard today. The tune is "Anything you can do I can do better."

"Any mistake I thought you made, I can make bigger,
I can make any mistake I thought you made bigger than you!"


Consider that the Republicans picked on Kerry for being in the pocket of a rich wife.
Then picked a candidate who has the same marital agreements with Cindy as Kerry had with Teresa.

They picked on Obama for a small resume even though he has a doctorate of law from Harvard summa cum laude, was the head of the Harvard Law Review and has worked from the Ghetto to Washington and developed legislation and taught in law school.

Palin has an undergraduate degree from the Univ. of Idaho in Journalism. Has spent most of her political life on the city council and mayor of a city 1500 members larger than Picher when I was in school. In a world where a 19 year old can run a city of 48,000 people then this will make sense to some. The state capital of Alaska is 10,000 people smaller than Muskogee and has no roads or rail transportation in or out to keep up. The state's budget is tiny compared to Oklahoma or almost anywhere else. She has not had a lot to deal with. Certainly nothing compared to Biden's commitment to job and the traveling distance from his family. I've known more than one man and woman who have been done in by that daily train trip. Meanwhile Republicans are comparing Palin's experience to Obamas. Hey maybe an undergraduate degree is all a doctor or a lawyer or engineer needs too. Lets have you folks bring in undergraduate doctors for Muskogee hospitals. I'll bet you can find a whole bunch.

To Europe, China, Russia and Japan this will be the stupidest idea on the block and an invitation for them to test, rape and pillage American companies.

As I have contemplated this it seems that the Republicans have such a disregard for governing and for the people of America that it takes my breath away.

On the other hand, Sarah Palin looks like a good person and from a really fun family who loves the out of doors and who lives an active outdoor life. The problem for me is the same as with Hammons. Nice people, even beautiful people, but unprepared and underschooled. The Peter Principle states that in any bureaucracy whether corporate of governmental, talent tends to rise to its level of incompetence and stops there continuing to dysfunction and gum up the system.

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Originally posted by gromit speaks:
Palin palin bo balin bananna fana fo falin me mi mo malin, palin.
McCain McCain Bo mic---== just doesn't work.

The thing that caught my eye at first, across the room, when CNN had their breaking story, and the TV was on over the keno machines, while we were having lunch, was, who's that? She's kinda hot in a librarian, Weird Science, sorta way. A friend of mine said "she is McCain's new woman, that is the GOP VP pick." Had to take a closer look. Still hot, but at the same time, somewhat vapid and insipid. Qualities that I look for at 1:30 in the morning, but usually I am not looking for those particular qualities for public office. Still. Sarah Palin, nice lady. Mayor of a small town in Alaska pop. 9000, mother of 5, has a child with special needs, her last child, Down's, and she was a beauty queen. I don't know the size of the town that she grew up in, but it was probably pretty small too. Husband Todd, worked as a commercial salmon fisherman. Currently she is the Governor of Alaska, what is that about 680,000 give or take a few. She has, zip, zero, nada, experience being the senior VP of a corporation the size of America, possibly the CEO someday. And you know what? She doesn't need to. Hec, the only requirements for being President are that you are 35 and a natural born citizen.

Of all the women that John McCain could have called he had to call someone in Alaska who still doesn't have caller ID, cause you know the number came in Unavailable or Restricted, so that is strike one.

Swing and a miss, but I will call it a ball and not a strike is that she would like to see Creationism taught in public schools. Do they have to stop with Genesis, or can they do at least up to Numbers? Cause I got a HS grad at the local store that can't make change for 1.97 out of 5 bucks without a calculator, thinks that Texas is right next to Montana, somewhere between here and North Dakota and Hawaii is in a box off the coast of California below Catalina. Maybe teaching Creationism is better, cause this current batch couldn't think their way outa a paper bag, with holes.

Strike Two: Doesn't think that man has anything to do with global warming. I believe the operative phrase here is "Doesn't think". Ok, fine, I'm so tired of dealing with that. Mankind has had nothing to do with global warming whatsoever, but, this planet that we live on sure as hec thinks we had something to do with it, since the planet is in the beginning phases of "balancing" the equation of mankind and mankinds relationship with everthing else. The planet does it's balancing act with tools like floods, famine and pestiliance. Pick your favorite passages of the Old Testement and use your imagination. So the global warming thing is a moot point. The fact is that it is happening, right now, as we speak, and think, and frolic and when we could have possibly done something, well we didn't and now it is too late.

Strike Three:
I'm gonna leave that one up to the Inuit, what do Native peoples have to say on that subject?Does she respect the land and the Earth?

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Strike Three:
I'm gonna leave that one up to the Inuit, what do Native peoples have to say on that subject?Does she respect the land and the Earth?

Muskogee should pay you for those posts so you wouldn't have to move to Mexico to make a living.

Good post.

WOW! Coincidentally, we just returned from Alaska one week ago where we travelled throughout the state from Homer to Fairbanks. I highly recommend visiting Alaska! Take your tent and a backpack. That is all you will need (oh, and a fishing pole). As for Sarah Palin I learned quite a bit about her while I was there. Why?? Because she was all over the news and the front pages of the local papers. Why?? Because she is under investigation for pressuring the Alaska State Troopers into firing her sister's ex-husband. Apparently, there is a custody dispute going on over her nieces/nephews and she managed to get their father fired. Of course, she denied having any involvement but then these recorded phone calls were made public and they were playing them all over the news up there. They were talking about re-calling her so I find it HILARIOUS that McCain thinks he can win with this one. She may very well turn out to be the final nail in his coffin. Aside from her problems in her own home state she just comes off as weak...one heartbeat away from the Presidency. Can you imagine??? We'd be in a world of hurt...

OBAMA '08

Also, I heard an interview on NPR this afternoon with one of the guys who runs Wikipedia.com. He said he felt compelled to blow the whistle on this because it seems to be such an egregious violation of their editing policies. You can listen to the story here; http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94118849

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The VP Choice that Lost the Presidency for McCain
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Linda Bergthold

I think we will look back at today as the day when the Republicans most certainly lost the Presidency. In choosing Sarah Palin of Alaska for Vice President, the Republicans have made a cynical but clever choice. At least they think it is clever. She is a woman, young (44 years old), a Governor (only two years), a mother (five children), pro-life, and pro-gun. But what is she not? She is NOT pro-choice. She has NO national experience. She has never been under the intense scrutiny of a national campaign. She is under investigation for some incident in Alaska that is messy and personal. She has no international experience. Her experience governing is in a very small state, famous for its "Bridge to Nowhere" kind of political graft. Her Republican colleague in that state, Senator Ted Stevens has been indicted for corruption.

When Republicans and independents go into the voting booth, will they have the confidence to vote for a McCain-Palin ticket, knowing that John McCain has had several recurrences of his skin cancer, and will be the oldest President ever? Can they imagine Sarah Palin stepping into the Oval Office and dealing with all the problems we face right now? The Russians and the terrorists must be quaking in their boots.

It's a slap in the face of other Republican women like Kay Bailey Hutchison, bless her heart, who was forced to stumble through an interview on TV trying to make the case for Palin whom she has never met. There are certainly women in the Republican party who were "in line" for this before Palin. Did the Rovian type advisors to McCain just cynically think that throwing a young attractive inexperienced woman into the mix would satisfy women who long to see a woman president? Women, and Republican women, are not so stupid as to fall for that! It is reminiscent of the Republicans putting up Alan Keyes to run against Barack Obama for the Illinois Senate just because he was black. Voters saw through that pretty quickly.

It's also a slap in the face of Democratic women voters. They don't get Hillary but they get Sarah as the first potential woman President? In fact, I can just hear Biden saying, "Sarah Palin, you are NO Hillary Clinton!" I would imagine that the few remaining Clinton supporters who are wondering if they should support John McCain are even more leery now. There is absolutely no overlap between the positions Hillary Clinton has fought her entire life for and Sarah Palin. The two women are not remotely substitutable. They are as different as they can be.

How will this cynicism play with American voters? It is insulting to women to suggest that just "any" woman will do!