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Dawkins6
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
 
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God can do whatsoever He pleases, and that's fine with me.

Daniel 4:35 (NKJV)
All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; He does according to His will in the army of heaven And among the inhabitants of the earth. No one can restrain His hand Or say to Him, "What have You done?"
 
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Dawkins, these people will not engage in any meaningful conversation with you. When they get frustrated that they cannot answer your questions, they will begin to attack you personally.
When you get Pate to call you gay, you win.
 
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MSUdog, why don't you engage with Dawkins in meaningful conversation. We will stay out of it, and I bet Pate won't call you gay.


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MSUdog, why don't you engage with Dawkins in meaningful conversation. We will stay out of it, and I bet Pate won't call you gay.


Is that so you dont have to answer any quesitons we may pose to you?

I guess it is easier to just ignore skeptics like us.
 
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"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"




Evil comes from good.One can not be without the other.IMO God could care less about us anymore.We as humans have killed each other in His name for so long now.We have twisted His word,built very divisive religions.Then there is the crew that prays for the end to all God has created(which is the biggest evil of all).When you have kids there is only so much you can do.we as His kids have strayed so far from Him,I think He no longer tries to guide us.I think He still loves us,but has cut us loose.Free will is a ____.
 
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Originally posted by Dawkins6:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"




Evil comes from good.One can not be without the other.IMO God could care less about us anymore.We as humans have killed each other in His name for so long now.We have twisted His word,built very divisive religions.Then there is the crew that prays for the end to all God has created(which is the biggest evil of all).When you have kids there is only so much you can do.we as His kids have strayed so far from Him,I think He no longer tries to guide us.I think He still loves us,but has cut us loose.Free will is a ____.


Interesting opinion Mike. I think if I did believe in a god I would have similar opinions about his existence.
 
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God can do whatsoever He pleases, and that's fine with me.


So your god is able, but unwilling to help you? Is such a god truly worthy of your worship?
 
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Dawkins, these people will not engage in any meaningful conversation with you. When they get frustrated that they cannot answer your questions, they will begin to attack you personally.


From what I've seen a lot of the time, not all the time, that's the same tactic you use. Folks ask you questions and when you don't answer, you begin to riducule and make fun of them because of their faith. Where's the "meaningful conversation" in that?
 
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Dawkins, these people will not engage in any meaningful conversation with you. When they get frustrated that they cannot answer your questions, they will begin to attack you personally.



From what I've seen a lot of the time, not all the time, that's the same tactic you use. Folks ask you questions and when you don't answer, you begin to riducule and make fun of them because of their faith. Where's the "meaningful conversation" in that?


I challenge you, as I have others in the past, to find one instance in which I was asked a question which I didnt answer.
 
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God can do whatsoever He pleases, and that's fine with me.


So your god is able, but unwilling to help you? Is such a god truly worthy of your worship?

If God can't do whatever He pleases then He's not God. Yes He is worthy!
 
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MSUdog, why don't you engage with Dawkins in meaningful conversation.


If he and I were to try to discuss this, it would be something like, "Yo, Dog, Epicurus says blah, blah, blah. What do you think?"

And dog would say, "Epicurus rocks, don't he? Throw me another beer, willya?"

End of convo'.

In order to debate with someone, you have to disagree with 'em. Debating rational peeps kinda sucks.
 
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God can do whatsoever He pleases, and that's fine with me.


So your god is able, but unwilling to help you? Is such a god truly worthy of your worship?

If God can't do whatever He pleases then He's not God. Yes He is worthy!


OK we've established that your god can do whatever he pleases.

So he is able to prevent evil, but not willing (must not please him)? Then he is malevolent.
 
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OK we've established that your god can do whatever he pleases.

So he is able to prevent evil, but not willing (must not please him)? Then he is malevolent.

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If God can't do whatever He pleases then He's not God. Yes He is worthy!


So you admit that God IS able to help you, but chooses not to. Is such a god worthy of your praise?

Asked another way: If a small child was drowning in the 4 feet of water in the creek beside your house, could you ever consider not jumping in to save that child?
 
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