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October 20, 2008

America Cannot Afford Barack Obama’s Socialism



“My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody.”



This economic perspective could have been expressed by any of history’s best-known socialists: Joseph Stalin, Vladimir Lenin, Karl Marx or Adolf Hitler. Thankfully, it is also a perspective that has been discredited by the collapse of the nations that have adopted it.



Indeed, when you “spread the wealth around,” no one has any incentive to create wealth. To the contrary, everyone has a reason to waste it.



Imagine yourself in a luxurious dining hall with 99 other people. The items on the menu are expensive, so, on average, you might have a moderately priced entrée and just might skip on the salad or dessert. You’ll hold off on the wine, because
 
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Barack Obama revealed his plan to shore up Social Security's shaky finances by raising the income level on which the payroll tax is applied. Currently, incomes above $102,000 are exempt, with that threshold rising every year indexed to wage inflation. Mr. Obama would keep that limit in place, but then assess payroll taxes on incomes above $250,000, which his campaign claims would apply to only the richest 3% of Americans.

Mr. Obama angered liberals last year when he admitted that there was a "Social Security crisis." But at least Mr. Obama's base should be appeased now that his solution to the "crisis" is to soak the rich. One liberal columnist actually noted with glee the fact that this would take us back to top tax rates not seen since the 1970s.

According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, Mr. Obama's new tax would siphon off 0.4% of gross domestic product annually. Combined with Mr. Obama's other tax-hike initiatives, "the total tax on labor would be close to 60 percent. In high-tax states like California and New York, the top rate would be even higher."

Would it help Social Security's financing problems? Mr. Obama has no idea. One of his senior economic advisers admitted to me that no one on the campaign has run any detailed models or performed any rigorous analysis. When one proposes an enormous tax increase, shouldn't there at least be a spreadsheet somewhere?

But the most alarming thing about Mr. Obama's proposal is that the $250,000 threshold, above which the payroll tax would be applied, refers to household income, not individual income. So it's quite deceptive when he claims that the $250,000 threshold will "ensure that lifting the payroll tax cap does not ensnare any middle class Americans."

Suppose your household consists of you and your spouse, each earning wages of $150,000 per year. Currently, you are each subject to the payroll tax up to $102,000 of wages, so together you are taxed on $204,000. Under the Obama plan, you'd be taxed again on another $50,000 of wages.

At the current payroll tax rate of 12.4% – 6.2% from wage-earners and 6.2% from their employers – your household would be looking at a tax hike of $6,200 per year. You probably didn't consider yourself rich before, and you certainly won't after paying that tax bill.

But that tax bill could be higher still. While the payroll tax has always been calculated just on wages from labor, Mr. Obama hasn't decided yet what forms of income will be included in the $250,000 threshold. It's an open question whether it might include interest on savings and capital gains income.

And neither has Mr. Obama said whether the rich – and, truth be told, the middle class – paying his new higher taxes will get correspondingly higher Social Security benefits when they retire. Throughout the history of the Social Security program, there has always been a connection between what you contribute in taxes and what you get back in benefits. If Mr. Obama uncaps the wages subject to tax, but doesn't uncap benefits, then he has severed the link between them. Social Security would stand revealed not as a work-related contributory retirement system, but simply as a tax-funded welfare and income-redistribution program.

And for all that, Mr. Obama's proposal won't help Social Security's long-run solvency problems.

According to the Social Security Administration actuaries, uncapping all wages subject to the payroll tax (not just those above $250,000) doesn't make much difference to the system's long-run solvency. If the increased payroll tax payments earn increased benefits, then only about one third of the system's 75-year shortfall is addressed. Even if there is no corresponding benefit increase, only about half the shortfall is addressed.

Remember, that inadequate result is what you get when all wages are subject to payroll taxes. Mr. Obama's plan – even with his household definition of $250,000 income – would collect far less than that. No wonder Mr. Obama's economic advisers aren't interested in doing any detailed analysis.

Worst of all, even the small contribution to Social Security solvency that Mr. Obama's plan might make is entirely illusory. In fact, the more taxes his plan collects, the worse Social Security's long-term situation gets. That's because all plans based on collecting taxes and saving them in the Social Security Trust Fund for future benefit payments rely on the U.S. government being able to redeem the Treasury bonds that trust fund holds.

There's only one place that the money to redeem those bonds can come from: taxes. So ironically, any tax dollars collected today will have to be collected all over again – plus interest. You like the idea of paying more taxes today for Mr. Obama's Social Security plan? Then just wait 20 years or so, because you'll get to pay more taxes all over again.

Mr. Luskin is chief investment officer of Trend Macrolytics LLC.
 
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If you have a 401(k) or equivalent retirement plan, you've probably been watching nervously the past few weeks as your nest egg has shrunken owing to the current turmoil in the markets.

Well, it could be worse. But don't take heart, for what we mean is it could get worse. The market turmoil has some politicians on Capitol Hill eyeing the end of the 401(k) as we know it. Workforce Management reports on a hearing of the House Education and Labor Committee earlier this month:

A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. . . .
Under Ghilarducci's plan, all workers would receive a $600 annual inflation-adjusted subsidy from the U.S. government but would be required to invest 5 percent of their pay into a guaranteed retirement account administered by the Social Security Administration. The money in turn would be invested in special government bonds that would pay 3 percent a year, adjusted for inflation.
The current system of providing tax breaks on 401(k) contributions and earnings would be eliminated.
"I want to stop the federal subsidy of 401(k)s," Ghilarducci said in an interview. "401(k)s can continue to exist, but they won't have the benefit of the subsidy of the tax break."
Ghilarducci outlined her plan last year in a paper for the left-liberal Economic Policy Institute, in which she acknowledges that her plan would amount to a tax increase on workers making more than $75,000--considerably less than the $250,000 Barack Obama has said would be his tax-hike cutoff. In addition, workers would be able to pass on only half of their account balances to their heirs; presumably the government would seize the remaining half. (Under current law, 401(k) balances are fully heritable, although they are subject to the income tax.)

Sounds pretty unappealing, doesn't it? But in her congressional testimony, Ghilarducci offered a sweetener:

Short-term I propose . . . that the Congress allow workers to swap out their 401(k) assets, perhaps at August levels, for a guaranteed retirement account--just a one-time swap. . . .
How would this work? You go back to your districts and meet up with a 55-year-old who had had $50,000 in his account last month and now has $40,000 in the account. He can swap out that $50,000, valued in August, for that guarantee of what would become, if he retires at 62, a $500 a month addition to Social Security.
A 55-year-old who lost 20% of his 401(k) because of the recent stock market decline was investing more aggressively than he should have, given his age. Ghilarducci proposes to reward this imprudence in exchange for dramatically limiting everyone's ability to take risks (and enjoy the corresponding rewards) and for greatly increasing government control of Americans' retirement funds.

It is by no means a certainty that Congress or a President Obama would embrace such a proposal, but this is a direction in which things may move if the Democrats make big gains next month.


“Obama's stimulus plan makes as much sense as paying my wife and kids to work for me to increase the cash flow in our household.”
 
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Hold on there Quickdraw,

We may have a solution , and Senator "O" may not be able to afford us!!!!!


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Charles O'Byrne, a top aide to New York's governor, is in a bit of hot water: He owed $300,000 in back taxes, which he did not pay until two days ago, after the New York Post revealed he was delinquent. The New York Times reports that his lawyer is trying an insanity defense of sorts:

Gov. David A. Paterson's top aide, who failed to pay income taxes or file returns from 2001 to 2005, was afflicted by "late-filing syndrome," a condition that made it difficult for him to fill out his tax returns, his lawyer said on Wednesday.



The lawyer, Richard S. Kestenbaum, said that he believed that the aide, Charles J. O'Byrne, despite an annual income of about $100,000 and an Ivy League education, could not bring himself to undertake the task of filling out his tax forms every year.

Mr. O'Byrne and his doctor have described him as clinically depressed during that period.


"Most times, with professionals, these are very high-functioning people who otherwise complete all the other ordinary tasks of their life," Mr. Kestenbaum said during a news conference in Manhattan.


He's not a deadbeat, he has a disease.

And just think, now that the Paul Wellstone Mental Health and Addiction Equity Act of 2007 is law, once Barack Obama institutes universal health care, we'll all be able to get diagnoses like this.

No one will have to pay taxes ever again!


“Obama's stimulus plan makes as much sense as paying my wife and kids to work for me to increase the cash flow in our household.”
 
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I keep thinking about that foolish woman at the Obama rally who said that with a Barack Obama presidency she "wouldn't have to worry about putting gas in her car and wouldn't have to worry about paying her mortgage."

There are so many like her – people who sincerely believe that an Obama presidency is going to be a substitute for work. Give these people about six months and they're going to be wondering what happened ... where their gravy train went ... why they're still having to work for a living ... why Obama went back on his promise to provide for them from cradle to grave.

There will be a mass uprising when these people don’t get their “redistribution of the wealth” that Obama promised. Millions of liberals expect a payback for voting for Obama.

From crack-addicted homeless bums to inner-city slum dwellers, they supported Obama, and now they expect Obama to support them. Since Obama didn’t shut-up with his so-called promises, it’s now time for Obama to put up.
 
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The original article can be found on SFGate.com here:
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Thursday, October 30, 2008 (SF Chronicle)
Obama commercial leaves out some key facts



Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than up-front in
his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs
and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office. A sampling of
what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:
Cutting premiums
The spin: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information
technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing
conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a
year."
The facts: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount.
Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic
medical records and by improving access to proven disease management
programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses
an optimistic analysis to suggest that cost reductions in national health
care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of
four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but
even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed
on to consumers in the form of lower premiums. Health care 'right'
The spin: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health
care."
The facts: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health
coverage for all. He makes no such promise. He would mandate coverage for
children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more
affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage
similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps. Spending
cuts
The spin: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."
The facts: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain
would deepen the deficit. For instance, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center,
whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign,
says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that
would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years."
The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly
increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases
that the campaigns have not specified." Tax reductions
The spin: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making
less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new
employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and
eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help
homeowners who are making a good-faith effort to pay their mortgages, by
freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9/11, we'll provide
low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their
doors open."
The facts: His proposals - the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15
billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more - cost money,
and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year.
Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged - although not in his commercial -
that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of
his proposals." Source: Associated Press ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Copyright 2008 SF Chronicle
 
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There is an ongoing debate that Bubba Bill Clinton is our nation’s first black president.

There are many that say Bubba Bill is blacker than Obama. After viewing this video, is Bubba Bill blacker than Obama?

You be the judge!

 
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NRA: Obama's election spawns 'gun run'
Chad Groening and Jody Brown - 11/11/2008 6:00:00 AM

The National Rifle Association predicts the election of Barack Obama is going to pose a serious threat to the Second Amendment rights of American citizens.

Numerous reports around the U.S. indicate that citizens have been racing to purchase both guns and ammunition before Obama takes office next year. On Election Day, a Cheyenne, Wyoming, gun store set a one-day sales record -- then broke that record the next day. The Franklin Gun Shop outside Nashville sold more than 70 guns on Election Day. It was the biggest sales day since opening its doors eight years ago.

The day after Obama was elected, the owner of a shop outside Salt Lake City sold nine assault weapons -- and another gun store owner in Fort Worth reported sales of $101,000 in merchandise, shattering its single-day sales record.

NRA spokewoman Rachel Parsons has a theory on the gun run. It is quite apparent, she says, that people are concerned that Obama truly has had a radical record of opposition to the Second Amendment.

"They're concerned about their Second Amendment rights, and they're purchasing firearms...maybe while they still have the chance," she conjectures. "They know that it's very likely that when president-elect Obama gets into the White House, he and those who he has appointed to leadership, who are also anti-gun, may indeed attack the Second Amendment."

During the campaign, the NRA ran advertisements saying Obama "would be the most anti-gun president in American history." And the president-elect's voting record on gun rights, says Parson, backs that up.

"He's supported gun bans, ammunition bans. He's supported a tax increase on guns and ammunition. He has voted against self-defense in the home when he was in the Illinois State Senate," she emphasizes. "Over and over, Barack Obama has voted against the Second Amendment."

The NRA spokeswoman suggests it is likely those votes will follow him into the White House. So she says it will take a grassroots effort by those who support the Constitution to prevent president-elect Obama from destroying Americans' Second Amendment rights.
 
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Oh, for Pete's sake, take a deep breath. It's difficult to believe that Obama's policies can put us in any worse shape than we're in now:

Stock market tanking
Mega-companies going bankrupt
Two flagging wars
Erosion of our Constitution and civil liberties
Global warming approaching critical mass

What more could go wrong?
 
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Oh, for Pete's sake, take a deep breath. It's difficult to believe that Obama's policies can put us in any worse shape than we're in now:

Stock market tanking
Mega-companies going bankrupt
Two flagging wars
Erosion of our Constitution and civil liberties
Global warming approaching critical mass

What more could go wrong?




PennMan

I thought you made sense until you mentioned Global warming........well ,and 1 war,not 2, and ,oh well , you seem to have swung and missed.

Now, using your own advice, take a deep breath,,all is not ending ,and all is not mankinds fault.
 
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There is an ongoing debate that Bubba Bill Clinton is our nation’s first black president.

There are many that say Bubba Bill is blacker than Obama. After viewing this video, is Bubba Bill blacker than Obama? Dear Ziffie: This is just the warm and fuzzzzy views that make Greensburg a place where informed, forward thinking, money making folks want to settle and raise a family. Maybe if you told us where the pit bull dog fights are held, we could all go down there and have a good ole' time. Onece again I ask- is there something in the water around here that's impacting our brains?

You be the judge!

 
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