RE: http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_113005027.html

Is there something just a little bit wrong with this???

Have the American citizens who reside in Missouri actually tell the judiciary there that they don't want to pay for incarceration of illegal aliens???

If not, where is the OUTRAGE over this "judge" for the way this "sentence" was handled???

How sorry I feel for the little girls, and also their family, over this slap on the wrist for committing these CRIMES!!!

(After all, that southern border, that heavily fortified southern border of ours is sooooo strong.....that once this illegal alien is thrown back over, just how long do you think it will be before he is back....)

It seems that it might be a far greater deterrent if we were to imprison this kind of offender under our own laws, than to deport them.

Obviously, however, the entire matter of illegal immigration was made considerably worse when the GOP mostly came out against the immigration reform legislation recently defeated... the one McCain, Bush, Kennedy and a whole bunch of other lawmakers favored.

It is difficult to take this kind of thing seriously until I see Americans having at least enough consciousness of pragmatism to know that a big step in the correct direction is better than things as they are or doing nothing.

Yes, Mike, if McCain/Kennedy/Bush had their way, this pervert would have been on his way to becoming an American citizen. Once he became a citizen, Mexico wouldn't have to take him back.

I saw a poll the other day (please don't ask me where) that indicated that Amercans by a BIG majority wanted illegal law breakers deported rather than paying for their prison stay. I was in the minority on that one.

In the meantime, Mexico, Canada and The United States are in conference to finalize the agreement to form a North American Union that would do away with internal borders completely.

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Originally posted by Dave Webb:
Yes, Mike, if McCain/Kennedy/Bush had their way, this pervert would have been on his way to becoming an American citizen. Once he became a citizen, Mexico wouldn't have to take him back.

Either you know that just isn't true, or you don't know it and should read the actual legislation, Dave.

It would have taken ANY illegal immigrant years and years and lots of money to GET IN LINE to become an American citizen, IF they could read english and pass the citizenship test, AND (read this part very carefully) if they had not committed a crime in their country of origin or in ours.

Should I repeat those conditions?

But nooooooooooooooooo... somebody wanted everything to be 100% perfect first crack outa the box. And so, we got nuthin'

Thanks Guys!

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Originally posted by Michael S. Bell:

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Originally posted by Dave Webb:
Yes, Mike, if McCain/Kennedy/Bush had their way, this pervert would have been on his way to becoming an American citizen. Once he became a citizen, Mexico wouldn't have to take him back.

Either you know that just isn't true, or you don't know it and should read the actual legislation, Dave.

It would have taken ANY illegal immigrant years and years and lots of money to GET IN LINE to become an American citizen, IF they could read english and pass the citizenship test, AND (read this part very carefully) if they had not committed a crime in their country of origin or in ours.

Should I repeat those conditions?

But nooooooooooooooooo... somebody wanted everything to be 100% perfect first crack outa the box. And so, we got nuthin'

Thanks Guys!

Oh, we didn't get "nuthin", Michael. We got "Sanctuary Cities". We got municipalities who refuse to allow their officers to enforce immigration laws. We get people who are known illegals who are not deported when they do commit crimes, so even if they aren't on the fast track to citizenship, they sure aren't having to worry about being throw out like they should be. That's a whole lot worse than "nuthin".

NO federal money to sanctuary cities.
NO federal money to cities who refuse to allow their officers to check immigration status.
HUGE fines for companies that knowingly hire illegal aliens.
NO excuses. If you're illegal, you're gone.

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Originally posted by John O:
Oh, we didn't get "nuthin", Michael. We got "Sanctuary Cities". We got municipalities who refuse to allow their officers to enforce immigration laws. We get people who are known illegals who are not deported when they do commit crimes, so even if they aren't on the fast track to citizenship, they sure aren't having to worry about being throw out like they should be. That's a whole lot worse than "nuthin".

Well... if people had seen that the step which WAS made available to us would have been OUR "camel's nose inside the tent", then we would have fewer problems that have not and will not be resolved. It is costing us roughly $338 BILLION per year to sustain this insanity as it is!

I'm sorry, but that opposition to the immigration reform bill was one of the dumbest things the right has done in recent memory.

It'll take years to recover from that selfish short-sighted mistake, and we may never.

Sanctuary cities, for example, are one of several reactionary solutions chosen in the absence of immigration reform legislation, AND would have been pre-empted or neutralized by it!

All that BS about "amnesty" was a truly negligent mischaracterization of legislation that had NOTHING whatsoever to do with amnesty.

People can beat their chests about wanting all illegals out NOW without exception all they like... it ain't gonna happen.

And, I dare say, my hunch is that we would have been a lot further along in finishing that darn border fence had the legislation been allowed to go through!

Instead, once again we have stalemate. Great... just what we needed.

Totally, totally unnecessary.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: Michael S. Bell,

Mike, is there something about "if you do the crime you do the time" that you do not understand?

Who is the "we" in "we didn't get nuthin" (sic.)

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Originally posted by Dave Webb:
Mike, is there something about "if you do the crime you do the time" that you do not understand?

Who is the "we" in "we didn't get nuthin" (sic.)

Of course I understand that concept. And, I feel confident that most people, illegal or not, do the time. When have I said any differently?

Screw the problem of illegals doing crimes, just for a moment. What we (meaning Americans) need is a sensible tactics for correcting a problem our Congress has dumped on us all.

The strategy is, in the majority, a sound one.

Our tactics stink, haven't been working, and aren't gonna work. We had a chance to improve things dramatically recently, and it got demolished FOR us by a few guys who love to hear the sound of their own voices... especially when it increases advertising revenue to be just as ignorant as humanly possible.

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BREITBART.COM 4.23.08
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"The Congressional Hispanic Caucus denounced House Democratic leaders Wednesday as "spineless" and no better than Republicans for failing to take on comprehensive immigration reform.

Leaders of the all-Democratic caucus, which numbers two dozen, criticized their party leadership at a news conference for scheduling hearings on enforcement legislation and specific visa issues instead.

Rep. Raul Grijalva of Arizona called the Democratic caucus "spineless," while Rep. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois said Democrats were proving themselves "no better than the Republican majority we replaced."

The lawmakers refused to name names but said the piecemeal approach wouldn't be happening without the consent of top House Democratic leaders."

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BREITBART.COM 4.24.08
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GUADALUPE, Ariz. (AP) - The self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff in America" has been making forays into Phoenix and nearby Guadalupe and sweeping up illegal immigrants, drawing howls of protest from the cities' mayors and other community leaders.

While Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has legal authority to enforce the law in cities within his county, politicians and activists are accusing him of grandstanding and, worse, racial profiling.

A total of 150 people—73 of them illegal immigrants—were arrested by Arpaio's deputies in the raids on heavily Hispanic sections in late March and early April.

"I was upset. We did not request them here," said Guadalupe Mayor Rebecca Jimenez, who charged that the patrols were meant to raise Arpaio's profile for his re-election campaign this year.

Guadalupe, a community of about 6,000 people that relies on the sheriff's office for police protection, is taking steps to find another department to patrol its streets.

As for Phoenix, Mayor Phil Gordon said Arpaio should be concentrating on more pressing duties such as finding people with warrants against them, and he has asked for a federal civil rights investigation, complaining the sheriff is singling out people who are "driving with a broken taillight or have brown skin." The U.S. Justice Department refused to comment.

And in Mesa, Arizona's third-largest city, the police chief has requested two days' notice of any sweeps Arpaio might conduct there, so that his officers can be prepared for any unrest.

Arpaio has long had a reputation for in-your-face tactics. He is known for making jail inmates wear pink underwear, assigning them to old- style chain gangs, and serving them green bologna sandwiches.

He began pushing the boundaries on immigration three years ago when he set up a special unit to deal with people sneaking across the border. Since then, his office has arrested 900 illegal immigrants under a state human smuggling law and set up a hot line for reporting immigration violations.

Arpaio said the recent sweeps were prompted in part by business owners' complaints about crime among illegal immigrants.

"It isn't racial profiling," the sheriff said. "We don't arrest just anybody on a street corner."

He said the 150 people arrested were approached or pulled over in traffic stops because deputies had probable cause to believe they had committed crimes. It was only afterward that deputies found nearly half were illegal immigrants, the sheriff said.

The crackdowns have led to demonstrations by protesters on both sides of the immigration debate.

Opponents lined streets in Guadalupe earlier this month, honking horns and holding up signs with slogans such as "Arpaio Stop Using Guadalupe!" One vehicle had "Proud to Be Brown" written on one of its windows.

Alex Rivera, an American-born landscaper living in Guadalupe, said that during the crackdown there, he saw a Hispanic driver get pulled over twice by deputies.

"It made me angry," Rivera said. "If they let him go once, it gives you the point that he didn't do anything or he didn't have anything. So they let him go once. And then they pulled him over? Of course, the guy looked totally Hispanic."

Civil rights advocates said Arpaio is spreading fear among Hispanics, illegal or not. "You have cooks, landscapers, nannies afraid to drive," said Hector Yturralde, president of the group Somos America.

Still, many others in Arizona are frustrated over the flow of illegal immigrants across the border, and the sheriff has received hundreds of letters of support, along with a request from a group of state lawmakers to go into Mesa. (Arpaio said he is planning a sweep in Mesa but is reluctant to warn the police department there for fear the chief will tip off the community and stir up demonstrations.)

Judith Bederka, a retired postal worker from Mesa, said Arpaio is the only local official doing something about illegal immigration. "He is doing what everybody wants him to do," Bederka said.

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency said the sheriff has stayed within the bounds of an agreement that gave special immigration training and powers to 160 of his officers. The agency said it knows of no abuses by Arpaio's office.

Weeks after the crackdown, 20 Spanish-speaking day laborers gathered at a dusty intersection to wait for people to offer them work. Ramon Arajon Contreras, a laborer from Mexico who has lived in Guadalupe for eight years, said the sweep frightened him so much that he hid out in his house until it was over. He said he is still afraid.

"If I see immigration officers," he said, "it's like I see the devil."

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It's yet another example of how partisan wrangling creates gridlock. Both parties have blocked efforts to deal with illegal immigration--partly out of a desire to pander to special interests and voting blocks on both sides, and an unwillingness to let the other party get credit for doing something positive on immigration reform.

THe fence is not the answer. Better identity checks and pressure on employers is a more sensible route. They won't stay here if they can't find work, and if they break the law they need to be sent home--and we'll keep a sample of their DNA in case they try to come back. That doesn't include violent crimes--if you commit murder here you should fry here, whether you come from another country or another planet.

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Originally posted by Pete Kirkman:
THe fence is not the answer. Better identity checks and pressure on employers is a more sensible route...

Tell ya what... let's take the locks off your home doors and windows, hang signs all over the place announcing that we've done so, and then ask people for their ID cards when they come to rob you blind.

Okay?

What level of security do you need to feel safe from illegals, Michael? You really think a forty-foot high or whatever fence across the southern border (and what about Canada? Do we trust them?) nearly 2,000 miles long is going to lower crime or curb illegal immigration? Can you say "boondoggle" boys and girls? I knew you could.

Oh, and I'm not worried about door locks--particularly when I'm home. I've got this sign:



And when I'm not home, the place is protected by my pair of killer Asian guard dogs:

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Originally posted by Pete Kirkman:
What level of security do you need to feel safe from illegals, Michael?

I feel zero threat from illegal immigrants.

It is our nation which is under assault by that movement, and it has been so for the better part of the past 30 or more years. At the least, it is costing too much in money... more than the war in Iraq each year.

My analogy with home security stands. Take down your fencing, remove locks from your doors and windows, post signage and public service announcements that you are doing so... and see what happens.

You wouldn't do it, and for very sound rational reasons... whether the trespassers would be shot and survivors shot again or not.

Maybe if a few more border crashers HAD been shot at 30 years ago, we'd not have quite the flagrant problem we do today?

Sanctuary cities are as bad as undocumented worker employers.