CHICAGO: Can a presidential candidate justify a long and friendly relationship with someone who, back in the 1970s, extolled violence and committed crimes in the name of a radical ideology — and who has never shown remorse or admitted error?

When the candidate in question is Barack Obama, John McCain says no. But when the candidate in question is John McCain, he's not so sure...

Now a conservative radio talk show host, Liddy spent more than four years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him...

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as ''an old friend,'' and McCain sounded like one. ''I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family,'' he gushed. ''It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.''...

In 1994, after the disastrous federal raid on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, he gave some advice to his listeners:

''Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. . . . Kill the sons of *****es.''

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Were we under the impression that there was a spotless lamb running for the Big House?

I don't think anyone gets to that level without playin some dirty pool.

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I don't think anyone gets to that level without playin some dirty pool.

That is fine so long as your position doesn't change with the candidate's party affiliation. We will see if PA will agree.

ROFL!!! LIDDY?!?!?

This is the liberal response to Marxist-Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers?!

REALLY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Wow Seth, you are really stretching again. Why does Obama's relationship with Ayers bother you so much?
I can't wait to find the original DU thread on this one and see what else you radical nut bags have come up with! Maybe someone said Liddy was involved with "President Bush and Republicans to cause 9/11" (-Pete). Surely not!

And really, not that it matters because you liberals don't care about the truth, but you ought to put what Liddy said about the ATF in the full context of the discussion that day.

ROFL! LIDDY AND AYRES! HAHAAAAAAAA HAHA!!!!!

THANKS SETH!

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Wow Seth, you are really stretching again. Why does Obama's relationship with Ayers bother you so much?

This ex-con was convicted of conspiracy, burglary, illegal wiretapping. What was Ayers convicted of? Do you support burglary and advocating the shooting of law enforcement officers? Are these the principles that McCain praised Liddy for?

Frankly, I don't think McCain can be held responsible for the past actions and statements of his contributors and supporters but I thought it would be a good exercise in pointing out your hypocrisy.

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Originally posted by Seth Jackson:

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Wow Seth, you are really stretching again. Why does Obama's relationship with Ayers bother you so much?

This ex-con was convicted of conspiracy, burglary, illegal wiretapping. What was Ayers convicted of? Do you support burglary and advocating the shooting of law enforcement officers? Are these the principles that McCain praised Liddy for?

Frankly, I don't think McCain can be held responsible for the past actions and statements of his contributors and supporters but I thought it would be a good exercise in pointing out your hypocrisy.

ok, maybe I should be patient, but is your next post going to say, "SURPRISE!" or "JUST KIDDING!!"

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ok, maybe I should be patient, but is your next post going to say, "SURPRISE!" or "JUST KIDDING!!"

No, you put your self on the hook and now I am going to real you in. How is it you can blast Obama for his relationship with Ayers and Wright and then make excuses for McCain and Liddy?

Seth, you already lost on the Hagee (spelling?) endorsement of McCain and now your stretching (rather far left) with McCain's friendship with G. Gordon Liddy. Seriously, you can't be serious!

As far as Ayers goes though, I would like to know the full context of his friendship with Marxist-Obama. Why won't Obama talk about this? If he's smart, he'll address it now and not wait. That way, anything bad can be dismissed early enough for your minions to forgive him and his (lack of) judgment/integrity/character/etc. - just as you have done with his 20 year father/son relationship with Racist/Anti-American Wright.

Look at that folks! I just gave great advice to a liberal! ...and you say I don't help.

Hypocrisy could be defined as saying I am not taking money from Lobbyist and having a staff loaded with them; it could certainly be attending a church for 20 years, never offering to leave, and then cutting ties with the pastor (so called in my books)when his remarks start costing him votes (and not until); it could be saying one would support the Born Alive Protection Act as Passed by the Federal. Government, but blocking the same language in his own states attempt to pass such a act.

And a unrelated issue, could we define hypocrisy as suggesting trading one extreme for another as good for the country, when all one really means, it is good for his party.

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This ex-con was convicted of conspiracy, burglary, illegal wiretapping. What was Ayers convicted of?...

Not meaning to be inflammatory... but mentioning Liddy and Ayers in the same sentence, or universe, does a great dishonor to Liddy who is, in my opinion, in a special class of Americans.

His bellicose nature and outlandish statements are irritating at times, but Liddy is an extraordinary patriot.

Read his Watergate-era autobiography... you will find much of interest and surprise there.

It isn't out of character for McCain and/or Liddy to be closely associated together... there are moments in time when their unique talents are called for and indispensable.

Without them and others like them, at such times, none of us would be here.

As for Obama's relationship to Ayers, it is so minimal as to be virtually non-existent... which is why the GOP intends to make sure nobody ever forgets it between now and November... just as the Democrats are gonna hammer on McCain's non-existent commitment of our troops in Iraq for the next "100 years..."

The GOP prefer to run against someone they (and most Democrats) know they can beat... Hillary.

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Seth, you already lost on the Hagee (spelling?) endorsement of McCain and now your stretching (rather far left) with McCain's friendship with G. Gordon Liddy.

What have I stretched? The fact that McCain praised Liddy? The fact that Liddy is an ex-con that later suggested that people shoot law enforcement officers? What is it?

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His bellicose nature and outlandish statements are irritating at times, but Liddy is an extraordinary patriot.

Read his Watergate-era autobiography... you will find much of interest and surprise there.

Well I doubt you mean to suggest that burglary or suggesting shooting law enforcement officers is patriotic, but that later in his life he... you cite his later writings. Say, have you read Ayer's "Good Preschool Teachers" or "A Kind and Just Parent." It may not reflect his former activities as well. My point is that if Obama is to be criticized for his past associations, so should McCain, although I would prefer neither and a focus on health care and foreign policy.

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Hypocrisy could be defined as saying I am not taking money from Lobbyist and having a staff loaded with them

Who are you referring to?

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Well I doubt you mean to suggest that burglary or suggesting shooting law enforcement officers is patriotic, but that later in his life he... you cite his later writings.

No, I am NOT citing his later writings. I am referring you to his autobiography written during the Watergate era... a long time ago.

"For his role in Watergate, which he coordinated with Hunt, Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary and illegal wiretapping, and received a 20-year sentence. The particularly harsh sentence was characterized as "judicial terrorism" and was an effort to break his resolve, which failed. [Paul Johnson, Modern Times, Harper Collins Books (New York, 1983), p. 652.] He served a total of five and half years in prison, including over 100 days in solitary confinement, before his sentence was commuted by President Jimmy Carter."

To my knowledge, Gordon Liddy has never "shot a law enforcement officer or officers" nor is he an ex-con due to having done so.

You are free to come up with as many crazy connections as you please in a free country, but at least get the story straight and do not misrepresent Liddy's felony without telling the rest of the story. There may be impressionable children reading your words.

For being such an obviously intelligent person, you are capable of concocting the most insane conspiracies imaginable out of half-truths.

Be glad that Liddy is on OUR side.

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To my knowledge, Gordon Liddy has never "shot a law enforcement officer or officers" nor is he an ex-con due to having done so. You are free to come up with as many crazy connections as you please in a free country, but at least get the story straight and do not misrepresent Liddy's felony without telling the rest of the story. There may be impressionable children reading your words.

Deal?

I said that he took part in "suggesting shooting law enforcement officers," or "advocating the shooting of law enforcement officers." Note the difference between advocating that others kill officers and actually doing so. I don't think that snide remarks are appropriate rejoinders subsequent to reading difficulties.

"'Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they're going to be wearing bulletproof vests. . . . Kill the sons of *****es" (Gordon Liddy).